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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm pretty sure I'll go to the meeting
      - both sets of dates are OK for me. I'll check in again when the
      plans become final and make the necessary arrangements. I think it
      would be useful if we could have some sort of scratchpad or wiki
      to discuss the spec prior to going. I have one or two use-cases
      that are challenging and also I want to plan how to address
      scalability issues and possibly benchmark a couple of approaches
      on real data.<br>
      <br>
      --Lee<br>
      <br>
      On 10/8/2012 11:15 AM, Jason Swedlow wrote:<br>
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            font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear All-</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I'm writing following
              various discussions  regarding the definition and use of a
              common specification for multi-dimensional regions for
              biological imaging, and in particular biological
              microscopy.  I am cc'ing Michael Unser, Wiro Niessen and
              Antje Keppler on this email for reasons that I will
              describe below.  I've also included representation from
              OME, ImageJDev, KNIME, Icy, and CellProfiler.</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The first concrete
              discussion on a common ROI spec was held in April in
              Barcelona.  Josh Moore's notes were circulated earlier
              (also, see below).</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We now have an opportunity
              to finish this specification.  This follows from meetings
              sponsored by Euro-BioImaging (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://eurobioimaging.eu">http://eurobioimaging.eu</a>),

              and in particular The Data Management Work Package (often
              referred to as "WP11"), led by Wiro and Michael, and which
              I, through our work on OME, contribute to.  Through WP11,
              we have funds to sponsor a meeting that moves a common ROI
              spec towards completion.  The idea is to have a common
              specification, and example "proof-of-concept" software
              implementation(s) in at least a few of our projects, so
              that a region defined in one image software package can be
              used by another.  The emphasis is on transport and
              interop, and not, for example, on a single library for
              defining, using ROIs that must be used by all.  We already
              know the kind and level of standardization that works, and
              that which does not.</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Given the progress we made
              in Barcelona, it seems that this is not a fantasy, but an
              achievable goal.  We don't propose a standard meeting with
              presentations, etc., but more of a developer meeting or
              "hackathon", that has been so successfully used by the
              ImageJ/Fiji teams and others.  We need to work through the
              specification (ideally making some progress beforehand
              using the various electronic tools we all know and love),
              and then get at least rough implementations in place.</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As a start, we've used the
              scijava.org site that was defined at the Dresden
              ImageJ/Fiji hackathon in Dec 2011.  See:</span></p>
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              font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.scijava.org">http://www.scijava.org</a>/</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As this was where our
              projects agreed to work together at the Dresden hackathon,
              it seemed a place where we could do this work, but this is
              not at all mandatory— just a place to start.  Whatever we
              use, it has to be usable for modern code development (in
              my opinion, that means, it has to be github or better, but
              other opinions welcome).  Obviously other resources can
              link to this.
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Below “Resources”, there is
              now a link to:</span></p>
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              font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.scijava.org/roi-model/">http://www.scijava.org/roi-model/</a></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On this page are Josh
              Moore's notes from the Barcelona mtg.  With Lee
              Kamentsky's permission we can add his SpaceROI.xsd (email
              from 30 April), or a more recent update to it.  Roger
              Leigh (OME) has added his work on a draft model spec.  He
              can explain what is going on there.</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">For the mtg itself, we
              propose two possible dates— Nov 12-14 or Dec 10-12.  There
              are obviously several looming conflicts— US Thanksgiving,
              ASCB in SF, and several others.  I believe there is also
              an ImageJ hackathon looming.  So far there is strong
              preference for the November date.  Obviously minimising
              trans-ocean flights helps productivity and keeps us all in
              good graces with our families.  Wilma Woudenberg will send
              out a poll and we can try to get this nailed down.  If
              those dates don't work, we can go sooner or later, so
              speak up, but would be great to get this done before end
              of 2012.</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">For location, we've
              discussed Dresden, Dundee, and there may be others.
               Through Euro-BioImaging, Dundee has funds to sponsor the
              meeting, and to support travel for participants (economy
              only).  If possible, Dundee will do all travel
              arrangements, to save the fun of travel reimbursements
              from EU grants.</span></p>
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            font-size:12px"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I wasn't exactly sure who
              was interested, and we don't yet have a single mailing
              list that covers all of us, although the SciJava google
              group (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21forum/scijava">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/scijava</a></span>)
            has been used for some  discussions.    This problem will
            get worse when we need our various developers to talk to
            each other.  I know many of the OME devs read the ImageJdev
            list, but that is not universal.  Note that some of the
            email lists included require registration, so do we use
            scijava@googlegroups?</p>
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            font-size:12px"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
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            font-size:12px"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ok, this a too long email.
               Decisions needed:</span></p>
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            font-size:12px"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-- do we agree to use
              scijava to start this discussion</span>?</p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;
            font-size:12px">-- can we put materials, discussions we each
            have there?</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-- date for meeting—is there
              another scheduled event we should piggyback on? (Note I
              think things like the ImageJ mtg are not a good idea; too
              many other things going on)</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-- everyone OK with Dundee
              for mtg place??</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Note: I'm partial to Dundee,
              since we have to pay for everything, so it saves admin
              hassle, but if this can be solved easily, then that's
              fine.  Wilma will take care of Doodle polls and very
              likely travel.  </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We've worked together well
              in the past, so hopefully we can get this done, and build
              something that will truly help our scientist users.</span></p>
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              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Cheers,</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jason</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; color:black;
              font-family:Arial,sans-serif">P.S. As Euro-BioImaging will
              sponsor meeting, the various leaders of WP11 and also
              Antje Keppler, Euro-BioImaging PM are cc'd.</span></p>
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                    color:black; font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Wellcome
                    Trust Centre for Gene Regulation & Expression</span><span
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                    color:black; font-family:Arial,sans-serif">College
                    of Life Sciences</span><span style="font-size:9pt;
                    color:black; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></p>
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                    color:black; font-family:Arial,sans-serif">MSI/WTB/JBC
                    Complex</span><span style="font-size:9pt;
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                      font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">University of
                      Dundee</span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;
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