Hi Jason,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the thorough summary.</div><div><br></div><div><div>> -- do we agree to use scijava to start this discussion?</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I agree that the scijava mailing list is the best place for further discussion:</div>

<div>    <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/scijava">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/scijava</a></div><div><br></div><div>> -- can we put materials, discussions we each have there?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Indeed, though I think technical materials should go into the @scijava/roi-model repository:</div><div>    <a href="https://github.com/scijava/roi-model">https://github.com/scijava/roi-model</a></div>
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<br></div><div>We can add anyone interested in contributing to the committers list. (Or you can fork it and submit a PR; either way.)</div><div><br></div><div>Figuring out how to organize everything might be a bit tricky, though.</div>

<div><br></div><div>> -- date for meeting—is there another scheduled event we should</div><div>> piggyback on? (Note I think things like the ImageJ mtg are not a good</div><div>> idea; too many other things going on)</div>

<div><br></div><div>Well, the ImageJ conference (Oct 24-26) is the only time I will be in the EU otherwise. So no, there is no other meeting that would be convenient for me personally to piggyback on.</div><div><br></div>

<div>> -- everyone OK with Dundee for mtg place??</div><div><br></div></div><div>Dundee is OK with me, as far as the EU goes. That said, I was recently lamenting how (with respect to international flights) all of our groups are based in smaller cities off the proverbial beaten path: Dundee, Dresden, Madison, Konstanz... But Paris (Pasteur) & Boston (Broad/CellProfiler) are also represented here! Maybe the big city folks want to organize one of these shindigs in the future?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Curtis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Jason Swedlow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.r.swedlow@dundee.ac.uk" target="_blank">j.r.swedlow@dundee.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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 and in particular The Data Management Work Package (often referred to as "WP11"), led by Wiro and Michael, and which I, through our work on OME, contribute to.  Through WP11, we have funds to sponsor a meeting that moves a common ROI spec towards completion.
  The idea is to have a common specification, and example "proof-of-concept" software implementation(s) in at least a few of our projects, so that a region defined in one image software package can be used by another.  The emphasis is on transport and interop,
 and not, for example, on a single library for defining, using ROIs that must be used by all.  We already know the kind and level of standardization that works, and that which does not.</span></p>
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 but more of a developer meeting or "hackathon", that has been so successfully used by the ImageJ/Fiji teams and others.  We need to work through the specification (ideally making some progress beforehand using the various electronic tools we all know and love),
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 a place to start.  Whatever we use, it has to be usable for modern code development (in my opinion, that means, it has to be github or better, but other opinions welcome).  Obviously other resources can link to this.
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 the SciJava google group (<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/scijava" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/scijava</a></span>) has been used for some  discussions.    This problem will get worse when we need our various
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We've worked together well in the past, so hopefully we can get this done, and build something that will truly help our scientist users.</span></p>


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